How is this even a bloody debate. And that was for a simple raid. 1 … Go to page. Thread starter Captain_Obvious; Start date Jun 6, 2015; Prev . Short’s plans gave the US army the ability to call down artillery fire in front of every beach on Oahu, starting when the potential attacker was tens of miles away … thereby ensuring the US will fight while at the same not acquiring the resources that will in anyway sustain a resistance by the Empire, So basically any stupid decision the Japanese made would be justified because the risk in starting the war was higher? What it does do is take the Japanese eggs, place them in one basket in your plan and put then a lot closer to the US mainland, on American soil, Even diesel would have problems fueling at this time. American forces battle German forces up and down the troubled East Coast. There was not that much industry controlled or used in the behind the lines areas controlled by Japan. Try sustained operations against hawaii and in a matter of days all you'll be left with no matter what is a fleet bone dry of fuel and stuck far from home.
And don't forget the amount of shipping needed between the Home Islands and the armies in China and Manchuria. JavaScript is disabled. For further reference see his posts in Sealion threads. First off, Hawai'ian defence forces are formidable to Japanese naval infantry in 1941, are based near to the targets of value, and are difficult to decoy out of position with maskirovka because it's not that big an island. And that was for a simple raid. JavaScript is disabled. The principle is that if the enemy fleet is divided, destroy one wing in isolation. There are a number of challenges to that (which are known to the Japanese) - historically they were weighed and found to outweigh the benefits. Then assuming that the side that OTL lost does absolutely everything perfectly, and that their opponents do absolutely nothing to oppose them. The only question was when NEI would be captured, not if. Try sustained operations against hawaii and in a matter of days all you'll be left with no matter what is a fleet bone dry of fuel and stuck far from home. What if Japan invaded Hawaii during Pearl Harbor? I said that a country willing to accept a war with high strategic risks has to be willing to conduct operations that are riskier. Diversions from that are not going to be acceptable. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The Japanese struck with a force of six fleet carriers and an invasion force of two Infantry divisions. The Japanese just barely managed to keep the kido butai from running dry.
How is this even a bloody debate. Dunno about any of that. You must log in or register to reply here. As I assume anyone else who knows two damned things has already pointed out. Alternate History Discussion: After 1900.
The Atlantic Fleet could reinforce the Pacific Fleet, but the bulk of the Atlantic Fleet was to remain in the Atlantic. You must log in or register to reply here. But the longer the IJN holds off on seizing oil fields and refineries in Sumatra, Borneo, Java, the Moluccas, and Singapore, the higher the risk that the Dutch and the British will be able to accomplish grave destruction of same. I wrote an op to force the US carrier fleet to either surrender Oahu to siege or commit its strength to battle at Hawaii against Kido Butai backed by a reinforced IJN Air Flotilla, ie, the best Even if the Japanese get ashore on Oahu, forcing them off will be valuable experience that will make the invasion of North Africa easier. The Americans, crippled badly after the failed invasion of Normandy, are found weak and vulnerable. After retreating from the East Coast, Germany advances further and invade the Southern …
Go. Anyway, you are quite right that Japan is on a very narrow window of oppurtunity. That's not what I said. New York City is taking the most damage. On October 4th, 1944, the first German Troops arrive on the Eastern Coast. The Japanese Invasion of Hawaii was the first major land, sea and air engagement of World War II. Go.